{"id":9994,"date":"2026-01-24T08:00:00","date_gmt":"2026-01-24T08:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/?p=9994"},"modified":"2025-10-10T17:41:30","modified_gmt":"2025-10-10T17:41:30","slug":"looking-at-ekaterina-velmezova-and-kalevi-kulls-article-2017-boris-uspenskij-part-7-of-19","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/?p=9994","title":{"rendered":"Looking at Ekaterina Velmezova and Kalevi Kull&#8217;s Article (2017) &#8220;Boris Uspenskij&#8230;&#8221; (Part 7 of 19)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>0470 Now, I want to get more serious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here is a diagram of the virtual nested form in firstness for the fundament along with the potential for the content-level of the derivative.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide17-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide17-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-9995\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide17-1.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide17-1-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>0471 If I follow&nbsp;<em>the arrow to the emergent possibility,<\/em>&nbsp;then a question arises.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does&nbsp;<em>the virtual nested form in the category of firstness<\/em>&nbsp;support&nbsp;<em>the emergent potential of &#8216;meaning, presence and message&#8217;<sub>1a<\/sub>?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Of course, the first term stands boldly.&nbsp;&nbsp;The second and third terms fade, until attention proceeds upstairs to the situation and perspective levels, respectively.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But, that does not address&nbsp;<em>the question at hand<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0472 From pages 422 to 425, the discussion touches base with&nbsp;<em>this question,<\/em>&nbsp;without coming close to articulating it, much less its foundations.&nbsp;&nbsp;It is the dance of&nbsp;<em>a young interviewer eager to say something intelligent<\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>an old academic trying to avoid saying something stupid<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;It is a beautiful dance, because&nbsp;<em>every statement<\/em>&nbsp;shimmers like&nbsp;<em>a shiny fabric, glistening in the illumination of a beam of light<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That light is&nbsp;<em>the radiance of the question at hand<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If I only knew&nbsp;<em>what that question is<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0473 How many times in our evolutionary development and our civilizational history have humans created inventions, like writing, without really comprehending&nbsp;<em>what they are doing?<\/em>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>The virtual nested form in firstness<\/em>&nbsp;lists out&nbsp;<em>the titular words of the journal that the Tartu-Moscow School inaugurates<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Who would have predicted that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Only&nbsp;<em>Peirce&#8217;s categories<\/em>&nbsp;allows&nbsp;<em>the inquirer<\/em>&nbsp;to diagram&nbsp;<em>the purely relational triadic structure of the interscope<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0474&nbsp;<em>The normal context of the TMS positivist intellect<sub>3a<\/sub><\/em>&nbsp;entails a new disciplinary language<sub>2am<\/sub>, or approach<sub>2am<\/sub>, or&nbsp;<em>whatever matter one might imagine<sub>2am<\/sub>,<\/em>&nbsp;emerging from (and situating)&nbsp;<em>the potential of meaning<sub>1a<\/sub>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0475 Here is a picture of&nbsp;<em>the virtual nested form in thirdness<\/em>&nbsp;along with&nbsp;<em>the emergent content-level normal context<sub>3a<\/sub><\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide18-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide18-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-9996\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide18-1.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide18-1-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>0276 This figure portrays&nbsp;<em>the first ascent of the TMS during the 1960s through the 1980s<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I suspect that&nbsp;<em>the second ascent<\/em>&nbsp;will incorporate&nbsp;<em>Peircean diagrams<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0477 Of course, the Tartu-Moscow School (TMS) does not constitute a unitary positivist stance<sub>3a<\/sub>.&nbsp;&nbsp;There are a specialized discourses for each manifestation of &#8220;literary text<sub>2af<\/sub>&#8220;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is the foundation upon which Juri Lotman builds his pivot to cultural studies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I suspect that Uspenskij harbors doubts.&nbsp;&nbsp;In one statement, he admits that&nbsp;<em>Lotman&#8217;s most important quality<\/em>&nbsp;was&nbsp;<em>his human charisma<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;In another statement, he wonders whether&nbsp;<em>modern semiotics<\/em>&nbsp;exists.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0478 During the first interview, conducted on August 25, 2011, at&nbsp;<em>the conclusion of the Tartu Summer School of Semiotics conference on &#8220;Semiotic Modeling&#8221;,<\/em>&nbsp;the aged linguist does not admit to much hope for the field of inquiry.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0479 Why?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Peircean diagrams of the invention of the TMS<\/em>&nbsp;lie&nbsp;<em>fifteen years in the future<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Consequently, the sessions do not provide hope that the exact methods<sub>3c<\/sub>&nbsp;of structuralist<sub>3b<\/sub>&nbsp;semiological<sub>3a<\/sub>&nbsp;models<sub>2c<\/sub>&nbsp;can withstand scrutiny by expertise in the natural and social sciences.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0480 Before the fall of the USSR, all the TMS had to show was that they were on the science side of&nbsp;<em>the fence standing between superstition<\/em>&nbsp;(okay, &#8220;religion&#8221;)&nbsp;<em>and science<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now, over twenty years later, the TMS needs to show that they can deliver&nbsp;<em>what the natural and social sciences cannot deliver,<\/em>&nbsp;guidance in how to define<sub>3a<\/sub>&nbsp;the literary text<sub>2af<\/sub>&nbsp;in terms of meaning, presence and message<sub>1a<\/sub>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0481 Why do the editors of&nbsp;<em>Sign System Studies<\/em>&nbsp;publish, in 2017, interviews with one of the shakers and movers of the Tartu-Moscow School of Semiotics, recorded earlier in the decade?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Something foundational&#8230; er&#8230; cosmological happens in the 1960s through the 1980s.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Perhaps,&nbsp;<em>the now-aged inventor<\/em>&nbsp;knows&nbsp;<em>what was invented<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;It is the exact methods<sub>3c<\/sub>&nbsp;of 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