{"id":8658,"date":"2025-01-16T08:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-01-16T08:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/?p=8658"},"modified":"2024-12-14T15:20:48","modified_gmt":"2024-12-14T15:20:48","slug":"looking-at-alexei-sharov-and-morten-tonnessens-book-2021-semiotic-agency-part-14-of-24","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/?p=8658","title":{"rendered":"Looking at Alexei Sharov and Morten Tonnessen&#8217;s Book (2021) &#8220;Semiotic Agency&#8221; (Part 14 of 24)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>0115 Section 2.5 considers the non-mechanistic approaches of the American pragmatist, William James (1842-1910), and French philosopher, Henri Bergson (1859-1941).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>These thinkers reject fully mechanistic models.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Do their ideas cohere to Sharov and Tonnessen&#8217;s noumenal overlay?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Slide042.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Slide042.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-8659\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Slide042.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Slide042-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>0116 For example, James considers consciousness.&nbsp;&nbsp;Consciousness is&nbsp;<em>a state of semiotic agency<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This makes sense.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0117 Here is another option.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If one reduced&nbsp;<em>the noumenal overlay of &#8220;consciousness&#8221;<\/em>&nbsp;to&nbsp;<em>a model of one specific type of incident<\/em>&nbsp;where&nbsp;<em>a real initiating event<\/em>&nbsp;(such as a subject encountering loaded options provided by a state-empowered ideological agent) determines&nbsp;<em>the same choice<\/em>&nbsp;(regardless of the diversity of the human subjects), then&nbsp;<em>a mechanism<\/em>&nbsp;(the option preferred by the empowered agent is the &#8220;better&#8221; option) may be said to be&nbsp;<em>a correct model<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Afterwards,&nbsp;<em>this &#8220;successful&#8221; model<\/em>may be placed over&nbsp;<em>the noumenal overlay of &#8220;consciousness&#8221;<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>Choice&nbsp;<\/em>is&nbsp;<em>habitually<\/em>&nbsp;following&nbsp;<em>the wishes<\/em>&nbsp;of&nbsp;<em>an ideological agent<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0118 This makes no sense at all.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The subject (human) lacks semiotic agency (the topic introduced in section 2.6).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0119 But, what if&nbsp;<em>the intellects of the time<\/em>&nbsp;(say, around 1900) say that the subject has agency in way of&nbsp;<em>choice [habit] wish<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;What if&nbsp;<em>choice [habit] wish<\/em>&nbsp;establishes&nbsp;<em>a conceptual apparatus<\/em>&nbsp;that can substitute for&nbsp;<em>S&amp;T&#8217;s<\/em>&nbsp;<em>semiotic agency<\/em>&nbsp;as&nbsp;<em>a noumenal overlay?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Then, is &#8220;consciousness&#8221; still relevant?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sure, James and Bergson say so.&nbsp;&nbsp;But, where are&nbsp;<em>the mechanistic and mathematical models<\/em>&nbsp;that are&nbsp;<em>the fruits of the Positivist&#8217;s judgment<\/em>&nbsp;when &#8220;consciousness&#8221; is positioned as&nbsp;<em>the noumenon for human agency?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0120 Is this where&nbsp;<em>phenomenology<\/em>&nbsp;comes in?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Phenomenology<\/em>&nbsp;is the topic of section 2.7.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0121 Razie Mah offers a series, titled &#8220;Phenomenology And The Positivist Intellect&#8221;.&nbsp;&nbsp;E-articles within the series are available at smashwords and other e-book venues. The present blog fits nicely into this series, because&#8230; well&#8230; wait and see.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sharov and Tonnessen&#8217;s book,&nbsp;<em>Semiotic Agency,&nbsp;<\/em>brings up&nbsp;<em>the issue of phenomenology<\/em>&nbsp;in section 2.7 and develops&nbsp;<em>the theme of phenomenology<\/em>&nbsp;in chapter 9.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, section 2.7 is an introduction.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0122 I have already set&nbsp;<em>a civilizational scene<\/em>&nbsp;that draws&nbsp;<em>phenomenology<\/em>&nbsp;onto the stage as&nbsp;<em>an actor<\/em>&nbsp;who is trying to deal with&nbsp;<em>the way that a theoretical construct that seems to be a mechanistic model&nbsp;<\/em>(such as Spencer&#8217;s evolutionary vision as the dyad, choice [habit] wish) gets overlaid onto&nbsp;<em>biological noumena<\/em>&nbsp;and then is objectified by&nbsp;<em>phenomena<\/em>&nbsp;supporting&nbsp;<em>empirio-schematic models that treat humans, not as semiotic agents, but as machines that validate the noumenal overlay<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Slide043.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Slide043.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-8660\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Slide043.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Slide043-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>0123 But,&nbsp;<em>Spencer&#8217;s evolutionary vision<\/em>&nbsp;is not&nbsp;<em>a mechanistic model,<\/em>&nbsp;even though it appears that way to&nbsp;<em>the triumphalist biologist.<\/em>&nbsp;&nbsp;Rather, it is a declaration of&nbsp;<em>what the noumenon should be for the evolutionary sciences<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Plus, it is a simplification of Darwin&#8217;s two-level interscope, re-configured in the style of S&amp;T&#8217;s noumenal overlay (points 107-112).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>The resulting phenomena<\/em>&nbsp;support&nbsp;<em>observations<\/em>&nbsp;when wishes and choices are experimentally controlled.&nbsp;&nbsp;After crunching the data, scientists offer&nbsp;<em>a mathematical or mechanical model<\/em>&nbsp;that characterizes&nbsp;<em>the habit<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When applied to humans as biological subjects, the Positivist&#8217;s judgment does not make sense.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Human semiotic agency<\/em>&nbsp;becomes&nbsp;<em>a black box,<\/em>&nbsp;to be replaced by&nbsp;<em>a successful mathematical and mechanical model&nbsp;<\/em>based on phenomena arising&nbsp;<em>from the controlled initiation of wishes<\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>the detached observation of choices<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does this makes sense?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If&nbsp;<em>phenomena<\/em>&nbsp;are&nbsp;<em>the observable and measurable facets of a noumenon,<\/em>&nbsp;and if&nbsp;<em>the noumenon<\/em>&nbsp;is&nbsp;<em>choice [habit] wish,<\/em>then&nbsp;<em>occasions of choices and wishes,<\/em>&nbsp;even though metaphysical (in Aristotle&#8217;s sense of the term) must be classified as&nbsp;<em>phenomena<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Humans are capable of observing and measuring these phenomena, because the tools to do so are innate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>0115 Section 2.5 considers the non-mechanistic approaches of the American pragmatist, William James (1842-1910), and French philosopher, Henri Bergson (1859-1941). 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