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0062 The fourth sample, goes back to Commentary on<\/em> Sentences<\/em> (d.26, q.2, a.1.c., ad. 4)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Consider the possibility of a real (mind-independent) distinction among the divine Persons in the Trinity.  The word, “Trinity”, labels a relation.  The Divine Persons label content within the relation.  In other words, the relation<\/em> is real and the elements within the relation<\/em> are real as well.  Explicit abstraction and speech-alone talk may label all the real elements.  Three real persons occupy slots for an immaterial triadic relation.  Each of the three persons receives a name.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

0063 Of course, the full story is a little more complicated, as discussed in the first interlude in How To Define the Word “Religion”<\/em> (by Razie Mah, available at smashwords and other e-book venues).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0064 In the above application, as with the previous example of a dici <\/em>(speech-alone talk) relation,<\/em> relationes<\/em> associates to the slot for matter<\/em> and dici (speech-alone talk)<\/em> associates the slot for form<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

0065 What about hand talk?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

One could never discuss the nature of the Trinity<\/em> using hand talk, because there is no thing to picture or point to.  But, that does not mean that there is no triadic relation.  If relationes<\/em> goes with form and dici (hand talk)<\/em> goes with matter and ifdici (hand talk)<\/em> cannot picture and point to referents in such a manner as to articulate an explicit abstraction, then one cannot presume that there is no esse<\/em>.  One cannot presume that there is no relationes secundum esse<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This reminds me of the distinction between categorical and transcendental affordance (secundum<\/em>).  Each gesture-word in a hand-talk statement categorically pictures and points to things (that is, referents).  But, the connection between the statement<\/em> and the recognition of the referent of the statement<\/em> borders on transcendental, especially when the connection is embedded in a grammatically correct counter-intuitive statement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The bottom line?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Our lineage<\/em> adapts to the potential of triadic relations<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So, if the Trinity<\/em> constellates a triadic relation,<\/em> then humans are prepared by evolution to contour their awareness according to that relation.  This contouring of awareness<\/em> may be diagrammed as a triadic relation<\/em>, because the diagram pictures and points to the way that each label occupies each slot.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

0066 Here is a prior example, formatted in order to show how a fully linguistic hand-talk statement<\/em> may generate a relationes secundum dici<\/em> (hand talk)<\/em>.  The statement<\/em> serves as matter.  A category-based nested form<\/em> serves as form.  The statement<\/em> informs the slot for actuality2<\/sub><\/em>.  Social construction<\/em> provides the normal context3<\/sub> and potential1<\/sub><\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

0067 The lesson?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In the above application, typical of dici (hand talk) relations,<\/em> hand-talk<\/em> goes into the slot for matter<\/em> and relationes<\/em>associates to the slot for form<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0068 So, where am I going with this?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, the first four samples offered by the author<\/em> of the term, relationes secundum dici,<\/em> reveal that Aquinas consistently offers samples for dici (speech-alone talk)<\/em>.  This suggests that Aquinas works with explicit abstractions, typical for our current Lebenswelt<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yet, when human evolution is taken into consideration, our genus evolves while practicing dici (hand and hand-speech talk)<\/em> and working with implicit abstraction.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In the Lebenswelt that we evolved in,<\/em> dici<\/em> (hand talk)<\/em> pictures and points to its referents, even when fully linguistic and even when gesture-words are used in counter-intuitive grammatically correct statements. Consequently, dici (hand talk)<\/em>has the same hylomorphic character as relationes secundum esse<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

0069 Furthermore, the hylomorphic structure for the term, relationes secundum X,<\/em> changes when X is hand talk<\/em> as opposed to when X is speech-alone talk<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dici<\/em> (speech-alone talk) offers labels that go into the slot for forms<\/em>.  The corresponding relations<\/em> associate to the slot for matter,<\/em> in a reversal of the foundational relationes secundum esse<\/em>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

So, the specificity of dici relations<\/em> turns out to differ when dici<\/em> is hand talk, as opposed to speech-alone talk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How strange is that?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

0062 The fourth sample, goes back to Commentary on Sentences (d.26, q.2, a.1.c., ad. 4) Consider the possibility of a real (mind-independent) distinction among the divine Persons in the Trinity.  The word, “Trinity”, labels a relation.  The Divine Persons label content within the relation.  In other words, the relation is real and the elements within the relation are real as well.  Explicit abstraction and speech-alone talk […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[418],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8481","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-article-review"],"yoast_head":"\nLooking at Tomasz Duma's Article (2023) "The Specificity of Secundum Dici Relations..." 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