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0052 Now, I wonder whether my evolutionary associations and speculations<\/em> are relevant to Duma’s five samples of Aquinas’s use of dici relatives<\/em>.  These five cases appear in section two.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

 0053 The first case occurs in Summa Theologica<\/em> (I, q.13, a.7, ad 1).  Predicated relatives are like master and servant.  Transendental relatives are like body and soul.  So the following, would be a predicated relative.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Here is a dyad.  The two real elements are the creature<\/em> and what the creature says<\/em>.  The contiguity is the “cause” that brings the two real elements together in Peirce’s secondness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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0054 In the second sample, from Peter Lombard’s Sentences<\/em> (d.30, q.2 a.1.c., ad.4), Aquinas mentions the above example, adding that a term such as “knowledge” signifies something that is founded within this relation, and may be labeled as a secundum dici relation<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

My guess is that the creature knows that “master” is an appropriate label to apply to one’s creator.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So, the creature knows what to say<\/em> and how to say it<\/em>.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

0055 In hand talk, the appellation would be a gesture of self-humiliation, such as laying flat on the ground or kneeling.  Tradition establishes the protocol.  The one who kneels<\/em> associates to matter and dici<\/em> (hand talk).  The one who is being knelt to<\/em> associates to form and relationes<\/em>.  The kneeling one<\/em> (like matter and dici<\/em>) honors<\/em> (the contiguity or “cause”) the one who is being knelt to<\/em> (like form and relationes<\/em>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In hand talk, dici (hand talk)<\/em> [predicates] relationes<\/em> (the relation).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hand talk does so because it coheres with esse<\/em> (existence) [secundum]<\/em> relationes<\/em> (relation).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0056 Speech-alone talk produces an odd reversal.  The creature who would be gesturing, but is now speaking,<\/em> associates to matter and relationes<\/em>.  The specific terminology of the appellation<\/em> associates to form and dici (speech-alone talk). <\/em>The contiguity involves knowledge.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Does this imply that relationes <\/em>(the relation) <\/em>[predicates] dici (speech-alone talk)?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

0057 In the third sample, Aquinas considers Disputed Questions on the Power of God<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What is the character of the distinction between relationes secundum esse<\/em> and relationes secundum dici?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well that should be obvious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0058 If I ask, “How do I get to the farmer’s market.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The answer, “Go to the town square.”, expresses the esse relation<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The answer, “Go down the street until St. Mary’s Church, then turn right and go two blocks.”, expresses the dici relation<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0059 Esse relations<\/em> have one terminus in the real (in this answer, the town square).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dici <\/em>relations have one terminus in reason (in this answer, a right turn at a landmark).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0060 So, I wonder, what is Aquinas up to?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Why does philosophy arise in ancient Greece?  Why is Aristotle so revered?  Here is one answer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Opinions <\/em>(beings of reason or ens rationis<\/em>) cannot be trusted.  What is real<\/em> (beings of realness or ens reale<\/em>) are far more trustworthy.  So, the task of the philosopher is to ascertain what is real<\/em> in the face of a variety of opinions<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0061 Ah, that sounds like Aquinas’s agenda.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Relationes secundum esse<\/em> have one terminus in the real.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Relationes secundum dici<\/em> (speech-alone talk)<\/em> have one terminus in… well… whatever<\/em> anyone wants to say is real.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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