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0035 Now for an exercise, allow me to recall the example of hand-talk about ravens.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In the previous figure, as far as Aristotle is concerned, a thing is “a thing”.  This comports well with the first-phase hominin’s sense that a thing is “what can be pictured or pointed to using hand talk”.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0036 Aristotle, living in our current Lebenswelt,<\/em> can use spoken language to label two real elements that belong to a thing, in the same way that a sharp edge resides in a ready-to-hand rock at a scavenging site.  The thing has two real elements, matter and form.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0037 The first-phase hominin, living in the Lebenswelt that we evolved in,<\/em> can use hand talk to refer to a raven through sensible construction and implicit abstraction.  Perhaps, if explicit abstraction is possible, the gesture-word would pertain to a relationes secundum esse,<\/em> even though it is literally a relationes secundum dici<\/em> (hand talk).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

0038 Yes, the above dyad portrays a dici <\/em>(hand talk) relation<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And, this relationes secundum dici<\/em> (hand talk) calls to mind a continuum between Aristotle’s dyad and the dyad of esse relations<\/em> (which are here, explicitly stated as dyads).  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Perhaps, I can say that naming “raven” is more on the matter [substance] form<\/em> side of the continuum.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It is almost as if the left-side of the continuum is like a rock that may be a candidate for an Oldowan stone tool<\/em> and the right-side is like the sharp-edge achieved by striking the rock<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0039 This sensibility is even more relevant to the next statement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Clearly, the relationes secundum dici (hand talk)<\/em> is sensibly constructed using implicit abstraction.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

At the same time, the dyad may be characterized (by today’s inquirer) as resting on the sharp-edge side of the realist continuum.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0040 What am I saying?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Because hand talk<\/em> is composed of routinized iconic and indexal manual-brachial gestures,<\/em> it is as if its relationality points to a continuum<\/em> between a thing encountered<\/em> and the hand-talk word as a sign of the thing, itself<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Here is a picture of what I suggest<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

0041 In sum, if I have a bucket labeled, “esse”, then I would put relationes secundum dici<\/em> (hand talk)<\/em> into that bucket.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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