{"id":8449,"date":"2024-12-23T08:00:00","date_gmt":"2024-12-23T08:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/?p=8449"},"modified":"2024-06-30T15:51:10","modified_gmt":"2024-06-30T15:51:10","slug":"looking-at-tomasz-dumas-article-2023-the-specificity-of-secundum-dici-relations-part-2-of-13","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/?p=8449","title":{"rendered":"Looking at Tomasz Duma&#8217;s Article (2023) &#8220;The Specificity of Secundum Dici Relations&#8230;&#8221; (Part 2 of 14)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>0013 What is &#8220;dici&#8221;?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0014 Most translate the word into English as &#8220;speech&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What happens when I consider the English word, &#8220;talk&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0015 For&nbsp;<em>the Lebenswelt that we evolved in,<\/em>&nbsp;hominins walk with their feet and talk with their hands.&nbsp;&nbsp;The initial motivation is obligate collaborative foraging in mixed forest and savannah ecologies, during the late Pliocene and the Pleistocene.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hominins forage in teams, as evidenced by Oldowan stone tools.&nbsp;&nbsp;Oldowan stone tools are hastily constructed, on the spot, during a scavenging team-situation.&nbsp;&nbsp;One rock is struck against another is such a fashion that the target rock fractures, creating a &#8220;referent&#8221;, a sharp edge, that indicates&nbsp;<em>what is is capable of doing<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;It is capable of acting like giant tooth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Slide04-7.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Slide04-7.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-8450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Slide04-7.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Slide04-7-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>To me, the Oldowan stone tool represents the occasion of a&nbsp;<em>relationes secundum esse<\/em>&nbsp;(a relation according to esse_ce).&nbsp;&nbsp;There is&nbsp;<em>a sharp edge<\/em>&nbsp;hidden within&nbsp;<em>the target rock<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>A few well-placed blows from another rock<\/em>&nbsp;reveals&nbsp;<em>that edge<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>The edge<\/em>&nbsp;is&nbsp;<em>its essence<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;The edge is&nbsp;<em>what the original target rock refers to,<\/em>&nbsp;if that stone could talk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0016 Hand talk within team activities evolves along the same lines.&nbsp;&nbsp;Every team has needs for members to indicate&nbsp;<em>what they intend to do<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Such indication requires reference.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>At first, manual-brachial gestures pantomime or point to their referents.&nbsp;&nbsp;Then, each particular pantomime and pointing gets routinized into&nbsp;<em>a gesture word,<\/em>&nbsp;distinct from&nbsp;<em>other gesture words<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;So,&nbsp;<em>hand-talk in teams<\/em>&nbsp;becomes sort of (or proto) linguistic.&nbsp;&nbsp;The key?&nbsp;&nbsp;The referent precedes the gesture-word and is imaged or indicated by the gesture-word.&nbsp;&nbsp;Plus, the gesture-word is used sensibly and avoids confusion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0017 For example, the raven may be pantomimed in a way that distinguishes it from other birds (such as sparrow or vulture).&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Slide05-7.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Slide05-7.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-8451\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Slide05-7.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Slide05-7-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>0018 Now, this looks like a<em>&nbsp;relationes secundum dici<\/em>&nbsp;that is very close to&nbsp;<em>a relationes secundum esse.<\/em>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So, maybe I should call it&nbsp;<em>relationes secundum dici (hand talk).<\/em>&nbsp;&nbsp;Since hand talk images and indicates its referents, and since the referent precedes the gestural-word,&nbsp;<em>dici (hand talk)<\/em>&nbsp;is just about the same as&nbsp;<em>esse<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0019 What about this &#8220;proto-linguistic&#8221; business?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well, the hand-talk word, [RAVEN], can be used in a statement about a raven or ravens in the course of a team activity.&nbsp;&nbsp;Here, the term serves as a noun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The same hand-talk word may be used in a way that stretches sensible construction (until it becomes a habit within the team&#8217;s repertoire).&nbsp;&nbsp;That is to use [RAVEN] as an adjective to indicate a color.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For example, black fruits from a particular plant are ripe and ready for a team to harvest.&nbsp;&nbsp;So,&nbsp;<em>the elder of the team<\/em>&nbsp;hand-talks the following.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Slide06-7.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Slide06-7.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-8452\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Slide06-7.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Slide06-7-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>0020 Surely, hand-talk naming of [RAVEN], plus its use as color, associate to&nbsp;<em>relationes secundum esse,<\/em>&nbsp;but technically belong to&nbsp;<em>relationes secundum dici (hand talk)<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Compared to Aristotle&#8217;s hylomorphe, both&nbsp;<em>esse<\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>dici (hand talk)<\/em>&nbsp;occupy the slot for matter and&nbsp;<em>relationes<\/em>&nbsp;go into the slot for form.&nbsp;&nbsp;The contiguity is [<em>secundum<\/em>].<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Perhaps,&nbsp;<em>this business about hand talk<\/em>&nbsp;is a surprising development for&nbsp;<em>philosophers engaged in the application of the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas to various questions<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Thus begins the added layer.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>0013 What is &#8220;dici&#8221;? 0014 Most translate the word into English as &#8220;speech&#8221;. 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