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0192 Is there another way to think about metalepsis?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Does the interventional sign-relation<\/em> have the characteristics of metalepsis?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Something mind-dependent2c<\/sub> (imaginative)<\/em> is taken to be mind-independent2a<\/sub> (real)<\/em>, but not in a straightforward fashion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

An empirio-normative judgment2c<\/sub><\/em> (SVi<\/sub>) stands for what people say2a<\/sub><\/em> (SOi<\/sub>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0193 The empirio-normative judgment2c<\/sub><\/em> must be mind-dependent<\/em> because it is a triadic relation<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Triadic relations<\/em> are mind-dependent beings<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Oh, yeah, triadic relations<\/em> can also be mind-independent beings<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ugh, I forgot to add that triadic relations<\/em> bring mind-independent beings<\/em> into relation with mind-dependent beings,<\/em> and visa versa.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This is a little confusing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0194 Let me start with the following.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Because a judgment is a triadic relation, and triadic relations often occur in the mind, some regard the empirio-normative judgment2c<\/sub> as mind-dependent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

However, the empirio-normative judgment2c<\/sub> resides as an actuality2<\/sub> on the perspectivec<\/sub>-level of post-truth interscope.  As such, it should be mind-independent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0195 The same type of distinction applies to the content-level actuality.  Opinions2a<\/sub> are mind-dependent and phenomena2a<\/sub> (the observable and measurable facets of people’s opinions) are considered to be mind-independent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0196 Okay, what about the interventional sign-relation?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How do mind-dependence (imaginative) and mind-independence (real) play out in the interventional sign-relation?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The empirio-normative judgment2c<\/sub><\/em> serves as an interventional sign-vehicle (SVi<\/sub>).  It2c<\/sub> does so in its role as a perspectivec<\/sub>-level actuality2<\/sub>.  Typically, sign-vehicles are mind-independent and sign-objects are mind-dependent.  So, when the empirio-normative judgment2c<\/sub> operates as an interventional sign-vehicle (SVi<\/sub>), then it is a mind-dependent being (a judgment) that appears to be mind-independent (a sign-vehicle).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Does that pretension meet the definition of delusion? Or illusion?  Or what?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

0197 Here is a picture of the interventional sign-relation,<\/em> so far.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Let me say that again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Opinions2a<\/sub> are ubiquitous and can be experienced, while the judgment2c<\/sub> that arises from an opportunity1c<\/sub> for the relativist one3c<\/sub><\/em> cannot be directly witnessed by a scrappy player.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0198 However, sign-vehicles are taken to be mind-independent.  So, even though the perspective-level judgment2c<\/sub> of the relativist one is mind-dependent, its2c<\/sub> role as an interventional sign-vehicle (SVi<\/sub>) gives it the character of mind-independent realness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Following the same line of thought<\/em>, interventional sign-object is imbued with the character of mind-dependent imaginative-ness, even though the content-level actuality2a<\/sub> is plain to see and hear.  Witness peoples opinions2a<\/sub>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0199 The empirio-normative judgment2c<\/sub><\/em> (an apparently mind-independent SVi<\/sub>) stands for what people say2a<\/sub><\/em> (an apparently mind-dependent SOi<\/sub>) in regards to the intellect3a<\/sub> operating on the will1a<\/sub><\/em> (SIi<\/sub>).  The interventional sign-interpretant<\/em> (SIi<\/sub>) must be the mechanism<\/em> whereby something apparently mind-independent <\/em>(but is constitutionally mind-dependent) becomes something mind-dependent<\/em> (a SOi<\/sub> consisting of opinions2a<\/sub>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0200 Does that meet the definition of “metalepsis”?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

No, something apparently mind-independent and real<\/em> (SVi<\/sub>) stands for something apparently mind-dependent and imaginative<\/em> (SOi<\/sub>) in regards to reason3a,1a<\/sub> (SIi<\/sub>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yes, the mind-dependent and imaginative<\/em> interventional sign-object (SOi<\/sub>) next serves as an apparently mind-independent and real<\/em> specifying sign-vehicle (SVs<\/sub>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Overall, opinions2a<\/sub> seem to be mind-dependent because they are interventional sign-objects (SOi<\/sub>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Then, opinions2a<\/sub> appear to be mind-independent because they are specifying sign-vehicles (SVs<\/sub>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0201 Okay, does “metalepsis” coincide this transition?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Something mind-dependent is taken to be mind-independent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What happens next?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The specifying sign-relation couples the content and situation levels.  Phenomena2a<\/sub><\/em> (SVs<\/sub>) stand for models of valuation2b<\/sub><\/em>(SOs<\/sub>) in regards to the disciplinary languages of the psychometric sciences3b<\/sub> operating on the potentials of observation and measurement1b<\/sub><\/em> (SIs<\/sub>).  Social phenomena2a<\/sub><\/em> (SVs<\/sub>) specify psychometric models<\/em> (SOs<\/sub>).  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

0202 Does Fuller’s version of metalepsis<\/em> correspond to when something imaginative (SOi<\/sub>) is taken to be real (SVs<\/sub>)?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If I answer in the affirmative, then metalepsis occurs entirely within the content-level actuality, in the transition from the apparently mind-dependent and imaginative interventional sign-object (SOi<\/sub>) to the apparently mind-independent and real specifying sign-vehicle (SVs<\/sub>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Of course, this transition is a real concern. But, it is not metalepsis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

See Looking at Daniel Dennett’s Book (2018) “From Bacteria, to Bach and Back”,<\/em> appearing in Razie Mah’s blog for December 2023. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Indeed, this transition leads me forward, towards the expert level, where I have already traveled and ended up asking the following.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Question: How do I pay off my student loans for my journalism degree when I cannot find success2a<\/sub>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Answer: You have already succeeded2c<\/sub> by getting a degree in journalism2b<\/sub>, according to the psychometric models2b<\/sub> that your professors have taught you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0203 So what is Fuller aiming at<\/em> with the introduction of the term, “metalepsis”, where something imaginative (mind-dependent) is regarded as real (mind-independent)?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0204 Why is the empirio-normative judgment2c<\/sub><\/em> mind-dependent?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Triadic relation are mind-dependent beings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Why is the empirio-normative judgment2c<\/sub><\/em> mind-independent?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It must be mind-independent in order to serve as the interventional sign-vehicle (SVi<\/sub>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0205 What element always seems to be mind-dependent?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Opinions2a<\/sub>, the interventional sign-object (SOi<\/sub>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But, aren’t opinions2a<\/sub>, as specifying sign-vehicles (SVs<\/sub>), taken to be mind-independent?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0206 Uh-oh,  I already went in that direction.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I must not go into the specifying sign-relation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If I am to proceed by way of the “metalepsis” that Fuller must be intimating,<\/em> I should travel backwards, tracing the structure of the interventional sign-relation, from an imaginative, mind-dependent sign-object (SOi<\/sub>), consisting in opinions2a<\/sub>, towards a real, mind-independent sign-vehicle (SVi<\/sub>), that is located in the slot for a perspective-level actuality2c<\/sub>, currently occupied by an empirio-normative judgment2c<\/sub>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0207 In order to accomplish this transit, my intellect3a<\/sub> (SIi<\/sub>) must operate on a potential greater than my will1a<\/sub><\/em> (SIi<\/sub>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Here is a picture.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Indeed, I could say that something greater than my intellect3a<\/sub> (SIi<\/sub>) is required as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0208 In short, something imaginative<\/em> (my own opinions and the opinions of those around me2a<\/sub> as SOi<\/sub>) is taken to be real<\/em>(a perspectivec<\/sub>-level actuality2<\/sub> that emanates itself2c<\/sub> as an interventional sign-vehicle, SVi<\/sub>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Metalepsis goes backwards within the interventional sign-relation.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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