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0058 The Latin scholastics faced great difficulties in regards to triadic relations, whether they recognized them or not.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

First, Aristotle loves distinctions.  And Plato loves to transcend distinctions.  So, the Latins, who retain Platonic traditions through the loss of the Roman Empire and the rise of Christendom,<\/em> have some difficulties with Aristotle, who enters the scene through translations of Arabic texts, booty from the Crusades.  Saint Thomas Aquinas brings the Aristotelian aspect of Christian philosophy<\/em> up to speed in regards to reflecting on distinctions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Second, it is not exactly obvious how to go from distinctions to triadic relations.  It’s like the old adage of blind men observing an elephant.  Their tactile-based reports describe different creatures.  But, the elephant is a single creature.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0059 Here are two distinctions that crop up in Deely’s discussion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Figure 24<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

0060 The proximal fundament, what we see<\/em> (hear, smell, taste or touch) and<\/em> what we think we see<\/em> has a contrast, the remote fundament, the person who does the seeing and thinking<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ens reale<\/em> is mind-independent being.  Ens rationis<\/em> is mind-dependent being.  Ens rationis is also called “a being of reason”.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The scholastics start with these distinctions.  So, it is not so obvious how they are going to elucidate a triadic relation, where a sign-vehicle (SV) stands for a sign-object (SO) in regards to a sign-interpretant (SI).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0061 The following figure shows how each element of each distinction views the sign-relation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Figure 25<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

0062 Note how the sign-interpretant (SI) spans the gap between ens reale<\/em> and ens rationis<\/em>.  The reason?  The SI is the ens reale that makes ens rationis possible<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0063 I could say that the two distinctions are “protosemiotic”, but that is only looking from the answer to the problem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Surely, the intellectual journey from protosemiotic to semiotic is not obvious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The logics of contradiction and non-contradiction apply to secondness.  When I hear the word, “reason”, I typically think of this type of logic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

0064 I suspect that the logics of contradiction and non-contradiction apply to fundamenta proxima<\/em> and to ens reale<\/em>.  I am not so sure about fundamenta remota<\/em> and ens rationis<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So, calling humans “rational or reason-based animals” does not do the trick.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Neither does calling humans “irrational or superstitious animals”.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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