{"id":5241,"date":"2022-03-02T08:00:00","date_gmt":"2022-03-02T08:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/?p=5241"},"modified":"2022-04-14T19:22:41","modified_gmt":"2022-04-14T19:22:41","slug":"if-adam-and-eve-associate-to-the-ubaid-of-southern-mesopotamia-then-what-does-that-imply-18","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/?p=5241","title":{"rendered":"Looking at Roy Clouser&#8217;s Article (2021) &#8220;&#8230;Support of Carol Hill&#8217;s Reading&#8230;&#8221; (Part 5 of 6)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>0023 A third point supports Carol Hill&#8217;s commitment that Old Testament &#8220;celebrities&#8221; are real people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0024 Clouser&#8217;s terminology is revealing.&nbsp;&nbsp;Adam and Eve are &#8220;celebrities&#8221;.&nbsp;&nbsp;Are &#8220;celebrities&#8221; real people?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I can visualize the headlines in the netherworld at the moment when Adam and Eve achieve celebrity status.&nbsp;&nbsp;&#8220;Adam and Eve Fall For It.&#8221;&nbsp;&nbsp;Read all about it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0025 The key is &#8220;read&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0026 Undoubtedly, the Pentateuch is&nbsp;<em>a compilation of oral traditions<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Once codified, during or after the Babylonian exile, the compilation becomes fixed as canon.&nbsp;&nbsp;Codification raises a host of issues, such as the reliability of the preceding oral traditions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Or, are these oral traditions already codified in secret documents?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does the question sound absurd?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Oh, the slipperiness of spoken words.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0027 Am I worried about&nbsp;<em>the reliability of oral traditions<\/em>&nbsp;or&nbsp;<em>the reality within oral traditions?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0028 The Biblical text itself conveys a reality, in&nbsp;<em>the objective sense of the word,<\/em>&nbsp;that is assumed by&nbsp;<em>the subjective realities engaged by the underlying oral traditions<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Even if Adam and Eve are fairy-tale figures in text, they are real in an oral tradition.&nbsp;&nbsp;Even if Noah is an epic figure in text, he is real in an oral tradition.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0029 Why do&nbsp;<em>the writers of the New Testament<\/em>&nbsp;take&nbsp;<em>the realness of the Old Testament<\/em>&nbsp;for granted?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Please do not quote me on&nbsp;<em>what I am about to say<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Despite the fact that the Old Testament is written, the biblical oral traditions are alive and well at the time of John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth.&nbsp;&nbsp;Everyone knows that the words are now written, so they use the word &#8220;scripture&#8221;, acknowledging this fact.&nbsp;&nbsp;However, even though Paul can read the written text, the apostles (and most early Christians) cannot.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>My conclusion is that Jesus recites the scriptures, with as much precision as the written text.&nbsp;&nbsp;So, does John the Baptist.&nbsp;&nbsp;They draw crowds that already know the oral tradition and marvel at its theatrical articulation.&nbsp;&nbsp;Jesus and John are performers.&nbsp;&nbsp;What a performance they give.&nbsp;&nbsp;They recite the scriptures so convincingly that&nbsp;<em>members of the audience<\/em>whisper to one another, &#8220;The kingdom of God is at hand.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0030 The New Testament is composed while&nbsp;<em>the oral traditions of reciting the scriptures<\/em>&nbsp;are alive and well.&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>The spoken word<\/em>&nbsp;renders&nbsp;<em>a subjective reality<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;In the beginning, is the word, which, dare I say, tells us that spoken words are slippery things.&nbsp;&nbsp;Listen to the stories of Adam and Eve.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>The objective reality conveyed in the written word<\/em>&nbsp;enters the historical theodrama&nbsp;<em>the moment when Christianity spreads from Israel<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does that bring me back to Augustine&#8217;s slip up?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>The slipperiness of spoken words<\/em>&nbsp;also applies to&nbsp;<em>the written text<\/em>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>0023 A third point supports Carol Hill&#8217;s commitment that Old Testament &#8220;celebrities&#8221; are real people. 0024 Clouser&#8217;s terminology is revealing.&nbsp;&nbsp;Adam and Eve are &#8220;celebrities&#8221;.&nbsp;&nbsp;Are &#8220;celebrities&#8221; real people? 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