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src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/longenecker-017.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4765\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/longenecker-017.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/longenecker-017-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption>Figure 17<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>0067 Every monster is an actuality<sub>2<\/sub>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Every monster is an ill-proportioned thing.&nbsp;&nbsp;Esse_ce and essence are out of balance.&nbsp;&nbsp;That tells us something.&nbsp;&nbsp;It produces phantasms that serve as warnings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0068 Remember the minotaur?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Do you have some money to invest?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Most investors<\/em>&nbsp;have met&nbsp;<em>a minotaur<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;He is someone so bullish that it makes him dangerous.&nbsp;&nbsp;He survives in&nbsp;<em>a labyrith of rules, conditions, and documentation filled with fine print<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Once your money is in, it cannot come out of the investment.&nbsp;<em>The financial minotaur<\/em>&nbsp;is completely confident.&nbsp;&nbsp;He is fully capable of losing your investment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0069 Longenecker may talk about monsters like the minotaur.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0070 Perhaps, he will talk about&nbsp;<em>the most horrifying monstrosities<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;These monsters lack substance.&nbsp;&nbsp;Such is the case for the monsters of&nbsp;<em>Roman power<\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>Jewish ritual law<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Roman power is like&nbsp;<em>esse_ce without substance.<\/em>&nbsp;&nbsp;Rome serves&nbsp;<em>the order that it imposes<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Sure, Romans pay tribute to their gods.&nbsp;&nbsp;But, their gods did not order them to construct an empire.&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman power survives because trade flourishes under its rule.&nbsp;&nbsp;Romans place tariffs on trade.&nbsp;&nbsp;Romans rule foreign subjects and tax their wealth.&nbsp;&nbsp;Romans take slaves and sell them at their markets.&nbsp;&nbsp;How does this serve Jupiter?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jewish ritual law is like&nbsp;<em>essence without substance<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Self-described scholars examine the Pentateuch for legal proscriptions.&nbsp;&nbsp;By the time of Christ, scholars accrue lists with hundreds of regulations.&nbsp;&nbsp;There is no way that a Jew could fulfill all these proscriptions correctly.&nbsp;&nbsp;Of course, wealth provides options.&nbsp;&nbsp;One can hire a scholar to manage one&#8217;s divine legalities for a reasonable fee.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That fee, of course, is unreasonable for the common person.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0071 Roman power is existential, existence<sup>0<\/sup>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jewish legalisms are formalisms, form<sup>0<\/sup>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0072 Is there a relation between these two monsters?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>At first, it seems that Roman rule<sub>2b<\/sub>&nbsp;situates Jewish legalism<sub>2a<\/sub>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Standard histories of first-century Palestine make this assumption.&nbsp;&nbsp;These histories try to establish&nbsp;<em>what happened<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;They propose&nbsp;<em>material and instrumental reasons<\/em>&nbsp;for&nbsp;<em>conditions<\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>parameters<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In the context of modern history, the following sensible two-level interscope applies.&nbsp;&nbsp;The following configuration is one answer to the question,&nbsp;<em>what does this mean to me<sub>3b<\/sub><\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;That answer is proximate.&nbsp;&nbsp;It addresses&nbsp;<em>the esse_ce<\/em>, not&nbsp;<em>the essence<\/em>of history.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/longenecker-018.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4766\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/longenecker-018.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/longenecker-018-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption>Figure 18<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>0073 There are other answers.&nbsp;&nbsp;After all, history does not reduce to conditions and parameters.&nbsp;&nbsp;Is there an essence to history?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>These are the answers &#8211; or perhaps, the questions &#8211; that Longenecker addresses.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In the context of&nbsp;<em>what it ultimately means to me<sub>3b<\/sub><\/em>, Roman law<sub>2<\/sub>&nbsp;does not situate Jewish legalism<sub>2<\/sub>.&nbsp;&nbsp;One monster cannot honestly situate the other, because something is missing on a higher level.&nbsp;&nbsp;Rome does not have righteousness and Jerusalem cannot impose order.&nbsp;&nbsp;What brings them into relation?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0074 The passion of Christ, depicted in the four gospels, is masterful.&nbsp;&nbsp;It reads like a fantasy.&nbsp;&nbsp;It reads like a historical document.&nbsp;&nbsp;The four gospels embody and transcend myth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Both Roman rule<sub>2<\/sub>&nbsp;and Jewish legalisms<sub>2<\/sub>&nbsp;play out in the contradiction-filled theological and political arenas of first century Jerusalem.&nbsp;&nbsp;Jerusalem is a provincial capital for Rome.&nbsp;&nbsp;Jerusalem is&nbsp;<em>the center of message, meaning and presence<\/em>for the Jews.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0075 Two monsters occupy Jerusalem.&nbsp;&nbsp;Each accommodates and resists the other.&nbsp;&nbsp;Neither wants to see anyone like Jesus.&nbsp;&nbsp;Jesus appears to threaten Roman order. That is easy to accomplish.&nbsp;<em>Gathering a crowd<\/em>&nbsp;will do.&nbsp;&nbsp;Crowds intimidate the lion. Also, Jesus obviously undermines&nbsp;<em>the letters of Jewish legalities<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;He upsets the sheep.&nbsp;&nbsp;He insists that the Jewish Law has a substance, a moral and theological vision.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0076 Monsters do not necessarily create mysteries.&nbsp;&nbsp;No, monsters are drawn into mysteries.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One way to appreciate&nbsp;<em>how Jesus unites both Roman rule<sub>2<\/sub>&nbsp;and Jewish legalism<sub>2<\/sub><\/em>&nbsp;is found in&nbsp;<em>a permutation of the previous diagram<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/longenecker-019.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4767\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/longenecker-019.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/longenecker-019-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption>Figure 19<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>0077 In&nbsp;<em>the life and passion of Jesus Christ<\/em>, Roman rule<sub>2<\/sub>&nbsp;and Jewish legalism<sub>2<\/sub>,&nbsp;<em>one monster filled with esse_ce<\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>the other full of essence<\/em>, are drawn into a single actuality<sub>2<\/sub>.&nbsp;&nbsp;For this moment in history, two monsters coalesce.&nbsp;&nbsp;This is&nbsp;<em>the type of event that eventually leads to myths<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;It happens right before&nbsp;<em>the eyes of the disciples<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0078 What is this single actuality<sub>2<\/sub>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If Roman rule<sub>2<\/sub>&nbsp;does not honestly situate Jewish legalism<sub>2<\/sub>, or&nbsp;<em>visa versa<\/em>, then they cannot align.&nbsp;&nbsp;Their normal contexts<sub>3<\/sub>are mutually exclusive.&nbsp;&nbsp;They may accommodate one another.&nbsp;&nbsp;But, in&nbsp;<em>the encounter with<\/em>&nbsp;Jesus, they coalesce, forming&nbsp;<em>a single actuality that resists Jesus<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is the way of theodrama<sub>3<\/sub>.&nbsp;<em>The essence of history<\/em>&nbsp;is theodramatic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>The theodrama of power<sub>3<\/sub><\/em>&nbsp;appears independent of&nbsp;<em>the theodrama of revelation<sub>3<\/sub><\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Until, of course, they are not.&nbsp;&nbsp;They are never independent in the eyes of God.&nbsp;&nbsp;They are never independent in the presence of God.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0079 Intersections are mysteries.&nbsp;&nbsp;Intersections are described in&nbsp;<em>the chapter on message<\/em>&nbsp;in&nbsp;<em>How To Define the Word &#8220;Religion&#8221;<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here is a picture of the intersection.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/longenecker-020.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4768\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/longenecker-020.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/longenecker-020-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><figcaption>Figure 20<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>0080 Indeed, before the eyes of the disciples, Roman law<sub>2<\/sub>&nbsp;and Jewish legalism<sub>2<\/sub>&nbsp;coalesce into one intersection, one mystery.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the single actuality that labels this intersection?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The most appropriate label is the name of Jesus Christ, who rises from the dead to defy Roman rule<sub>2<\/sub>&nbsp;and who offers a pathway to the Father in defiance of Jewish legalism<sub>2<\/sub>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0081 In mythic terms, Jesus tames two monsters.&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>The lion<\/em>&nbsp;lies with&nbsp;<em>the lamb<\/em>.&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>The power of the state<\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>the legalism of religious institutions<\/em>&nbsp;come into conflict, but that conflict is contained within&nbsp;<em>the object that brings us all into relation<\/em>, Jesus Christ.Without Jesus, two monsters are set loose upon the world.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>0065 Now, I proceed from monsters to mysteries. 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