{"id":10199,"date":"2026-02-09T08:00:00","date_gmt":"2026-02-09T08:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/?p=10199"},"modified":"2025-10-12T14:12:51","modified_gmt":"2025-10-12T14:12:51","slug":"looking-at-peeter-torops-article-2017-semiotics-of-cultural-history-part-10-of-11","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/?p=10199","title":{"rendered":"Looking at Peeter Torop&#8217;s Article (2017) &#8220;Semiotics of Cultural History&#8221;\u00a0\u00a0(Part 10 of 11)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>1076 The author moves on to the topic of &#8220;cultural semiotics as semiotics of cultural history&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I love topics like this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They almost make my wordplay appear reasonable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1077&nbsp;<em>According to Lotman,<\/em>&nbsp;each generation has a language to describe yesterday.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1078 What does this imply?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Torop has a positivist language<sub>2af<\/sub>, historically developed within the Tartu-Moscow School of Semiotics (on its preparation for a second iteration, this examiner hopes), for translating the somewhat disordered clues left by Bakhtin into a text, consisting of tables.&nbsp;&nbsp;Each of these tables correspond to an interscope (Peircean constructions, which the author does not have at the time, but are implicit to the tables, themselves).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There are two tables.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>The one dealing with narrative and performance<\/em>&nbsp;associates to&nbsp;<em>the semiological level of the fundament interscope<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>The one dealing with space and time<\/em>&nbsp;associates to&nbsp;<em>the structural level of the fundament interscope<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>These tables<\/em>&nbsp;correspond to&nbsp;<em>the literary text<sub>2bf<\/sub>&nbsp;as form<\/em>&nbsp;for the fundament interscope.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1079 In Torop&#8217;s language,&nbsp;<em>langue as matter<sub>2am<\/sub><\/em>&nbsp;consists in what Bakhtin is thinking, and wondering about, in regards to the way that literature works.&nbsp;&nbsp;This matter<sub>2am<\/sub>&nbsp;sort of emerges from a signfied<sub>1a<\/sub>&nbsp;in the normal context of Saussure&#8217;s semiology<sub>3a<\/sub>.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>Parole as form<sub>2af<\/sub><\/em>&nbsp;consists in the article that Bakhtin writes and the pages of notes that survive concerning the nature of the &#8220;chronotope&#8221;.&nbsp;&nbsp;Indeed, the spoken word, &#8220;chronotope<sub>2af<\/sub>&#8221; situates the signifier<sub>1a<\/sub>&nbsp;that Bakhtin imagines and Torop uses to tag the article and the pages of notes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bakhtin&#8217;s works correspond to&nbsp;<em>langue<sub>2am<\/sub><\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>parole<sub>2af<\/sub><\/em>&nbsp;in the fundament interscope.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1080 These associations allow me to apply&nbsp;<em>the fundament interscope,<\/em>&nbsp;as&nbsp;<em>a semiological structuralist model<sub>2c<\/sub>,<\/em>&nbsp;to&nbsp;<em>Torop&#8217;s tables<sub>2bf<\/sub><\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide31-2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide31-2.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-10200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide31-2.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide31-2-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>1081 To me, this application is appealing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1082 I now move on to&nbsp;<em>the rest of Lotman&#8217;s observation<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Each generation, in principle, does not have a language to describe tomorrow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1083 How does this apply?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In 2017, Torop does not have Peirce&#8217;s construction of the interscope.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The basics are presented by Razie Mah&#8217;s e-books,&nbsp;<em>A Primer on the Category-Based Nested Form<\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>A Primer on Sensible and Social Construction<\/em>&nbsp;(available at smashwords and other e-book venues).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1084 Despite this lack, Torop successfully communicates that&nbsp;<em>Bakhtin&#8217;s parole<sub>2af<\/sub>&nbsp;of the &#8220;chronotope&#8221;<\/em>&nbsp;serves as&nbsp;<em>the language<sub>2bm<\/sub>&nbsp;that substantiates two tables<sub>2bf<\/sub>.<\/em>&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>The universality of the &#8220;chronotope&#8221;<sub>2af<\/sub><\/em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<em>the intelligibility of Torop&#8217;s two tables<sub>2bf<\/sub><\/em>&nbsp;are weighed when one regards them as contributing to&nbsp;<em>a semiological<sub>3a<\/sub>&nbsp;structuralist<sub>3b<\/sub>&nbsp;model<sub>2c<\/sub><\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1085 Here is&nbsp;<em>corresponding interscope.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide32-2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide32-2.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-10201\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide32-2.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide32-2-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>1086&nbsp;<em>The above interscope<\/em>&nbsp;may be compared to&nbsp;<em>the interscopes postulated by this examiner as characteristic of the Tartu-Moscow School of Semiotics<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide33-2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide33-2.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-10202\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide33-2.png 600w, https:\/\/www.raziemah.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Slide33-2-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>1087 But there is more.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>1076 The author moves on to the topic of &#8220;cultural semiotics as semiotics of cultural history&#8221;. 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