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1058 Now, about that rumor about AI discovering glyphic writing while examining fossilized dinosaur nests which were dated to 65Myr (millions of years ago), right before the asteroid impact that ended the Epoch of Weird Multicellular Animals<\/em> (600-65Myr).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1059 The university involved in the incident<\/em> apologized.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Apparently, over the Easter holidays, the Anthropology Department<\/em> wheeled the new AI computer in use by the Archaeology Department,<\/em> which had been examining photos of fossilized dinosaur nests<\/em> for patterns, to take a look very early pre-cuneiform tablets<\/em>.  They trained the AI to recognize cuneiform,<\/em> but when they applied the program to the early tablets, the AI said that this pattern<\/em> showed that an egg<\/em> lies here and that pattern<\/em> is a dinosaur footprint,<\/em> and so on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Frustrated, the anthropology team<\/em> returned the AI computer<\/em> to the archaeologists,<\/em> who were surprised when the AI started reporting, around Pentecost, that the nesting material<\/em> contained intentionally written glyphs that could be interpreted<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1060 It is like the Greimas square.  Train a student on the Greimas square, then every spoken word becomes a focus for the technique.  It is quite remarkable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I suppose that applies to myself, because it seems that all I see is the TMS fundament and derivative interscopes in every semiotic paper that I examine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1061 So, maybe I should take a step back and draw a line between the virtual nested form in secondness for the fundament interscope and Torop’s table describing Bakhtin’s chronotopical system (Figure 2).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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1062 Uh-oh.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Once I do this, I gestalt the following.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If “gestalt” is a verb, that is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Reality expands into Peirce’s category of thirdness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Time and space spins into Peirce’s secondness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And, phonics associates to Peirce’s firstness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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1063 Surely, this diagram looks like it matches a comparison of the fundament and Torop’s Figure 2.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

However, the levels look more and more suspicious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Do they contain category-based nested forms?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1064 Consider the perspective or “reality” level<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Does a normal context of metaphysical reality3c<\/sub> bring the actuality of psychological reality2c<\/sub> into relation with the potential of ‘topographic reality’1c<\/sub>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Surely, that looks well… may I use the word, “unrealistic”?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1065 So, what if I switch reality to correspond to three nested normal contexts?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Here is a picture.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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1066 Now, that looks more realistic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Overall, the normal context of reality3<\/sub> brings the actuality of space and time2<\/sub> into relation with the potential of ‘tone’1<\/sub>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

For three levels, reality3<\/sub> is a normal context operating on the possibility of ‘tone’1<\/sub>, where ‘tone’ is most clearly expressed in terms of music-related explicit abstractions.  The label corresponding to ‘tone’1<\/sub> changes from content, to situation and on to perspective.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1067 Yes, that seems more reasonable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Here is the resulting interscope.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

1068 On the content level, the normal context of topographic reality3a<\/sub> brings the actuality of concrete (or specific) time and space2a<\/sub> into relation with the potential of ‘homophony’1a<\/sub>.  Homophony is like a melody.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

On the situation level, the normal context of psychological reality3b<\/sub> brings the actuality of subjective time and space2b<\/sub>into relation with the potential of ‘polyphony’1b<\/sub>.  Polyphony is like harmony and dissonance.  A melody is situated by harmony and dissonance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

On the perspective level, the normal context of metaphysical reality3c<\/sub> brings the actuality of mythological time and imaginary space2c<\/sub> into relation with the potential of ‘heterophony’1c<\/sub>.  Heterophony is like the visual appearance and acoustic character of the venue in which a musical or dance performance<\/em> occurs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1069 Now I ask, “Does the above figure<\/em> look like a semiological3a<\/sub> structuralist3b<\/sub> model2c<\/sub>?”<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

1058 Now, about that rumor about AI discovering glyphic writing while examining fossilized dinosaur nests which were dated to 65Myr (millions of years ago), right before the asteroid impact that ended the Epoch of Weird Multicellular Animals (600-65Myr). 1059 The university involved in the incident apologized. 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