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1044 The derivative interscope compares to the table on extratextual relations<\/em> in Figure 1 on page 321.  The title of Figure 1 is “The construction of text”.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1045 Here is a table comparing the virtual nested form in actuality for the derivative interscope<\/em> with Torop’s extratextual relations<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

While the fundament interscope addresses the text itself.  The derivative interscope assesses the text in relation to other texts.  Such an assessment<\/em> characterizes extratextual relations for the work<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1046 Are the correspondences sufficient to conclude that this examination’s fundament and derivative interscopes<\/em> and Torop’s intratextual and extratextual relations<\/em> are similar… if not identical?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If the answer is “yes”, then this examiner has a clue to the nature of the missing perspective-level actuality2c<\/sub>.  The perspective-level actuality2c<\/sub><\/em> assesses how a particular text relates to other texts, <\/em>and in doing so, weighs the intelligibility of the reception of the work2b<\/sub><\/em> against the universality of its functional meaning2a<\/sub><\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1047 An affirmative answer also brings this examiner to the topic of Bakhtin’s chronotopes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Figure 2 on page 322 of Torop’s essay presents what may be<\/em> Bakhtin’s chronotopical system.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In fact, the table in Figure 2 is assembled from a short piece, “Forms of time and of the chronotope in the novel”, written around 1937-1938, along with “concluding remarks” added in 1973.  Plus, there are entries in various notebooks, scribbles on papers that were preserved, and so on, adding clarity… and weirdness… to a distinction between architectonic time<\/em> (corresponding to the chronotope) and the time when the story or artwork is composed<\/em> (and, presumably, the author and the author’s cultural scope are alive).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1048 For example, consider a sci-fi author completing a story about “life in the future”, the day before the world ends.  The chronotope<\/em> must be life in the future<\/em>.  The time when the story is composed<\/em> corresponds to the day before an asteroid hits the Earth<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Oh, this is the twist.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The author belongs to a rare breed of dinosaur living 65 million years ago.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The translation occurs when an AI program trained to scan fossilized dinosaur nests<\/em> suddenly recognizes patterns within the nesting material<\/em> that correspond… through comparison with patterns in other<\/em>… what?..<\/em> ancient Mesopotamian<\/em> glyphs, allowing for some sort of translation<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1049 So, what is the title of this unbelievable literary text?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

“Actuality to be determined2c<\/sub>“.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1050 Am I saying that Bakhtin’s chronoscope<\/em> is the actuality to be determined2c<\/sub>?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Am I saying that the actuality to be determined2c<\/sub><\/em> is more than intertextual specificity?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

It2c<\/sub> is the time envisioned<\/em> in a story written the moment before the author, and the author’s cultural scope, vanish into the past<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1051 So, what is this moment<\/em> in the present,<\/em> where the past<\/em> recedes and the future<\/em> awaits the text itself?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

It must be the moment when langue2am<\/sub> [substantiates] parole2af<\/sub>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1052 Just as there is a time-piece within a radioactive atom that determines when the unstable isotope decays into another element, there is a time piece within every author and cultural scope.  That time-piece determines when the time of composition<\/em> and the chronotope<\/em> separate into the author<\/em> and the text<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1053 An academic can study the author and the text in order to produce, using the fundament interscope, a semiologiccal2a<\/sub> structural2b<\/sub> model2c<\/sub>.  This model2c<\/sub>,<\/em> when regarded as the noumenon of the text2af<\/sub>,<\/em> may entangle key elements within the chronotopical system,<\/em> as shown in the following figure.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

1054 But, there is a problem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The closer that the semiotician swerves into Bakhtin’s chronotopical system, the more and more the semiological structuralist model2c<\/sub><\/em> looks… well… irrelevant. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Look at the poetics level.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Surely, a semiological structural model2c<\/sub><\/em> is bland and uninteresting compared to topographic, psychological and metaphysical realities<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

No?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1055 Okay, there is another problem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It is not at all obvious that my one-to-one association with each of Bakhtin’s triads corresponds to content-, situation- and perspective-level actualities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The chronotope<\/em> does not seem to match the fundament and derivative interscopes,<\/em> at least not directly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Plus, Torop loves Bakhtin as much as he does Lotman and Uspenskij.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The essay makes that obvious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1056 On top of that, the article itself swerves from the TMS school (olive color) to Bakhtin (orange color) and back (to olive color).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Here is a picture with color-coded section headings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

1057 So, the author goes from the TMS school to Bakhtin and back again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What does this imply?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The swerve into Bakhtin must be crucial.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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